In a way, Knight of Cups is Malick's Zoolander. There's modeling, there's celebrity cameos, there's facial expression... did you two ever talk about it?
Did I do Blue Steel??
There's a little Blue Steel in there.
Blue Steel! No, we never discussed that, so I love that's what you think of it. I have to tell him that.
Have him call me with the answer.
Malick made another movie around the same time as Knight of Cups. He filmed Ryan Gosling and Rooney Mara at a concert. You appear to be in that movie, but it's not totally clear.
Back in 2011 we went to Austin together and we kind of did a lot of walking backstage at a music festival. On stage as well -- just improvised a lot. Had a wonderful day with different bands and musicians. I only did three days. Anyone who gets involved with a film with Terry, they're lying if they say that they know what the film's going to be like. So I could either end up being cut completely or I could be the lead, I've got no idea.
Speaking of future movies and Thin Mints, you were going to make an Enzo Ferrari biopic with Heat director Michael Mann, then dropped out because you couldn't gain the weight to play him. What's the story there?
No, it was once I gained the weight. Look, I wish Enzo had been a bit of a skinnier fellow, but he wasn't. I started because it's a wonderful script. I'm very good friends with Michael, we've done a lot of research, we traveled to Italy together. I love the piece. [But] I have had a series of accidents, and I'm now 42. My body was just screaming out to me saying, "You are going to regret this, something's going wrong." I got some red-flag warnings, which were significant enough that I actually started paying attention, because usually I just ignore that. This is one of the few occasions I had to say, "You know what? This isn't going to work and this could be disastrous," so I had to just call it. I regret it immensely because it was a very, very special piece.