The episode also had lighter moments. Apatow tells a story about how he took mushrooms before going to see Don Rickles and Frank Sinatra, and explains why that's exactly like a good hamburger.
The conversation will also please fans of Apatow's cult favorite, Freaks and Geeks. He says he thought it was a perfect show. "I was so happy with how Freak and Geeks came out that in my head I thought my career is basically over," he said. "I accomplished what I wanted to accomplish, and everything else is gravy. And so nothing else matters. I can experiment, I can do anything, because I did what I wanted to do perfectly, once."